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Old 02-18-2008, 09:09 AM   #106
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Okay, so using the birthing analogy, if someone gives birth with a midwife in a birth center, should I be concerned they are hurting my rights as a homebirther?

FWIW, I'm not disputing the fact that my dd is in a VCS connected with a charter school. Usually that is what I tell people. However, it's the attitude of homeschoolers that I'm somehow less that really gets to me. As you may have noticed.
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if someone gives birth with a midwife in a birth center, should I be concerned they are hurting my rights as a homebirther?
Only if there are a large number of them insisting they are homebirthing rather than birthing at a birth center.
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if someone gives birth with a midwife in a birth center, should I be concerned they are hurting my rights as a homebirther?
Only if there are a large number of them insisting they are homebirthing rather than birthing at a birth center.
exactly--OR if you live in a state where the hospitals are setting up birth centers that they regulate and control (as opposed to free standing birth centers) and presenting to the government that this is "homebirth but better"
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Okay, so as long as people around me understand very clearly that I do NOT homeschool and my dd is part of a public school system, I am not endangering the rights of homeschoolers. Is that right?
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Okay, so as long as people around me understand very clearly that I do NOT homeschool and my dd is part of a public school system, I am not endangering the rights of homeschoolers. Is that right?
I honestly don't even care what others around you think I think for me it's that each person truly embrace and own and choose whatever it is they are doing It's when those doing it start to get confused that we are going to have problems. It's when people start looking around at their options and think VC *is* homeschool, or the best homeschooling option that we're going to be in trouble. What *you* do isn't so much a threat. does that make sense?
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it does; and both the VCSs I've looked into state that many times, very clearly.
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I do get frustrated with individuals in the homeschooling community who won't embrace or support moms making all sorts of alternative choices. Our homeschool group has VCS'ers as part of it Everyone needs support!

IMO the *movement* and the *individuals* both need to be protected
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I agree with this.

I am just confused at the labels and why someone teaching their child at home is not homeschooling if they use something like a VS or a CS. I mean they are doing all the work and more work than I, a relaxed homeschooler, am doing.

I understand the fear of more government regulation and how the governement could use those alternative school choices to bring that around. (I have that fear as well ) Maybe I am dense and am missing something in my reading through the thread. If they are teaching their child at home then why isn't it homeschooling. :/

(We are fighting the flu here so my mind isn't totally on what I am reading. I could have easily missed something or even "10 somethings". )
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Something worth reading that might bring some clarification.

http://www.chnow.org/id122.html
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'Homeschooling' was a convenient label used to describe a level of parental autonomy and responsiblity that worked until the virual academy, etc were developed. The label was/is easy, but it was never intended to simply describe 'where' the child was being educated, but an educational experience and philosophy that is different from a charter or vs experience. By limiting the defintion, it is not intended to make any value judgement on our vs/cs sisters, only to preserve the original definition.
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Something worth reading that might bring some clarification.
http://www.chnow.org/id122.html
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"These programs are an attempt by public educators to create publicly-funded homeschooling; the only future they lead to is government-controlled homeschooling."

Am I correct that school vouchers for homeschooling would accomplish the same thing - add the element of government funding, and the government control that goes along with it?
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'Homeschooling' was a convenient label used to describe a level of parental autonomy and responsiblity that worked until the virual academy, etc were developed. The label was/is easy, but it was never intended to simply describe 'where' the child was being educated, but an educational experience and philosophy that is different from a charter or vs experience. By limiting the defintion, it is not intended to make any value judgement on our vs/cs sisters, only to preserve the original definition.
This is exactly it. This is why home school has become a one word noun "homeschool". Just like, ITT Tech is a Technical School, not a university; why a distance learning course is not the same thing as "homeschooling"; etc. It's not about where you are--because homeschooling is done everywhere we are. When we are at the museum, though, I don't switch and call it "museum schooling" or at the park we're not "park schooling". Homeschooling is the experience of parental autonomy and family directed learning.
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Consider denying membership to those enrolled in a government school-at-home program . . . . Remember that A little yeast works through the whole dough.
Wow. While I respect the right of real homeschoolers to draw lines and make distinctions, referring to those of us outside those lines in this way--fellow believers, some of us--is extreme. And wrong.



ETA: It is the attitude encapsulated in this article that caused my dh and I to say we would never homeschool. He had a lot of exposure to it, and it's a complete turn off.
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