What to give/do for yeast flare-up?

MrsHutch · 03-27-2014, 05:35 PM

I feel like I should know this, but am at a loss.

J had just gotten to a point where he was doing really, really well. Cognitively, he was understanding us really well and interacting with us well. Behaviorally, he was... normal. Not drunk or yeasty at all. And, most telling, he was having AMAZING TURDS.

Beautiful, solid, perfect turds, with no traces of anything undigested at all. This was a FIRST EVER for him. We were ecstatic. You truly don't know how amazing a normal turd is until you've spent 5 years cleaning up the awfulest, watery, grainy, chunky (are you

yet?) mess that you never thought would go away.

That lasted for about a solid week.

And then he ate part of a Crayola crayon.

That stupid, awful, cursed crayon.

He's gone back to being horribly drunk and yeasty, and his poop has gone back to being really terrible. It's been 2.5 weeks since he ate that crayon, and it's not getting any better.

He's on stage 1/2 of GAPS (so meat, broth, veggies, eggs, and avocados, but no nut butters and no orange veggies). He gets a bit of whey every day, and I've given him about a Tbs of kefir grains several times. I've never been very good at veggie ferments, so he's not currently getting any ferment juices. He gets 1 tsp FCLO and the biggest scoop of GutPro every night, along with a few other supplements.

We've given him activated charcoal several times, but it doesn't seem to help. I add a couple of cloves of raw garlic, raw egg yolks, and a few drops of oil of oregano to his lunch every day. I have green black walnut & wormwood extract, but I haven't given it to him because of the alcohol in it.

What am I missing? What else can we do?

LilacPhoenix · 03-27-2014, 10:16 PM

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Soliloquy · 03-27-2014, 11:21 PM

I would do clay. Zeolite or calcium bentonite.

For a non-ASD kid I would also give silver but I don't know how ASD kids do with silver.

---------- Post added at 11:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ----------

Btw, you can put the oregano oil on the soles of his feet at bedtime, too.

Garland · 03-27-2014, 11:57 PM

Oregano Oil and a probiotic

rosesnsnails · 03-28-2014, 12:24 AM

You are already doing everything that I can think of. I hope it clears up soon. Yeast overgrowth is horrible.

Had a thought, what about digestive enzymes?

MrsHutch · 03-28-2014, 05:15 AM

I should have said that we're also doing (almost) daily detox baths with epsom salt and either baking soda or ACV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LisaM

I would do clay. Zeolite or calcium bentonite.

For a non-ASD kid I would also give silver but I don't know how ASD kids do with silver.

Btw, you can put the oregano oil on the soles of his feet at bedtime, too.

Thanks. He gets zeolite daily anyway, but I could try some bentonite. I have some silver that I bought and have never used, because I'm kind of intimidated by it. I'll do some more reading.

Wait... zeolite clay??

Ours is a water spray.

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Originally Posted by Garland

Oregano Oil and a probiotic

We're already doing both of those.

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Originally Posted by rosesnsnails

You are already doing everything that I can think of. I hope it clears up soon. Yeast overgrowth is horrible.

Had a thought, what about digestive enzymes?

Thanks. I've never found a digestive enzyme that I could get him to take. He won't chew the chewables, and anything that isn't chewable just really isn't an option because we'd have to pin him down and force feed it to him in a syringe. We do that once per day for all of his other medicines, but we do it right before bed, and digestive enzymes have to be taken right before meals, right? Would it do anything to add some enzymes to his bedtime medicine cocktail?

MrsHutch · 03-30-2014, 07:56 PM

He just keeps getting worse.

His poop is just completely watery, his sleep is awful, and he can't keep himself from chewing on anything he can find. He has hickies all over one arm from aggressively chewing/sucking on it.

sweetpeasmommy · 03-30-2014, 08:11 PM

Charcoal might stop the runny poo and ease some of the behaviors.

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Soliloquy · 03-30-2014, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsHutch

Wait... zeolite clay??

Ours is a water spray.

Ours is a spray, too. It's not exactly a clay, I don't recall in which category it best fits, I usually call it a type of clay but that's not accurate.

I'm sorry he's getting worse.

I hope he detoxes from it, soon.

mellymommy · 03-31-2014, 10:16 AM

Nothing to add except to say I am praying for him and for wisdom and peace for you.

mamacat · 03-31-2014, 12:19 PM

One thing that has helped me is making myself cucumber water by taking my filtered drinking water and putting slices of cucumber in and letting it set for awhile and then drinking the water all day.cucumbers are full of Molybdenum which can really help with reactions and with my less than stellar diet sometimes can really help by sipping all day.Also helps keep ph at a healthful level and is subtle and delicious

---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:06 PM ----------

Would also 2nd the clay idea if he will do that.

---------- Post added at 07:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ----------

Have you ever given him something like this to help with the oral symptoms?http://www.walmart.com/ip/20803521?w...#ProductDetail There are also bracelets too http://www.nationalautismresources.c...FeJF7AodGFMA3g

Katigre · 03-31-2014, 12:20 PM

Have you ever looked into a fecal gut transplant for him? Bc it sounds like even with all you're doing his body isn't resilient enough to keep it going with even a tiny hiccup. Which makes me wonder if a fecal transplant might help him. I know they're pioneering this at a few major research hospitals and children's hospitals for certain health problems.

I would not chalk everything up to yeast and things like that - I think it's more.

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rosesnsnails · 03-31-2014, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsHutch

Thanks. I've never found a digestive enzyme that I could get him to take. He won't chew the chewables, and anything that isn't chewable just really isn't an option because we'd have to pin him down and force feed it to him in a syringe. We do that once per day for all of his other medicines, but we do it right before bed, and digestive enzymes have to be taken right before meals, right? Would it do anything to add some enzymes to his bedtime medicine cocktail?

I think you are right. They have to be taken on an empty stomach before eating. When I was searching to see if they could be taken in water, I came across this. http://lifespa.com/digestive-enzymes...idden-dangers/ I honestly don't know if it is credible, and I know your little is not on enzymes right now, but it made me wonder if his villi were irritated and inflamed by the yeast.

MrsHutch · 03-31-2014, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katigre

Have you ever looked into a fecal gut transplant for him? Bc it sounds like even with all you're doing his body isn't resilient enough to keep it going with even a tiny hiccup. Which makes me wonder if a fecal transplant might help him. I know they're pioneering this at a few major research hospitals and children's hospitals for certain health problems.

I would not chalk everything up to yeast and things like that - I think it's more.

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We've talked about it, and even know who we'd ask (my health nut grandmother), but we haven't seriously looked into it yet. It's definitely not off the table. We go back to the DAN Dr. in a couple of weeks, and I'm going to talk to her about it.

And I know there's way more than yeast going on.

He has high c.diff and lots of other problems. But the yeasty behaviors are so obvious and problematic that they often take center stage. I'm pretty sure we are unable to lose the yeast battle because of heavy metals. The DAN Dr. has talked for a while about doing chelation, but wanted him to be ready by working on some other things first. I'm going to really push to start chelating at our next visit, too.

Soliloquy · 03-31-2014, 02:15 PM

Metals.

That's why I hesitate to recommend silver for an ASD kid. Zeolite should be removing some metals. What brand are you using, how long has he been on it, and how many sprays per day? Just curious.

Also, if his gut is comprised, the zeolite spray can be taken via nebulizer (if he'll do it). It gets into the bloodstream very quickly, that way

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03-27-2014, 05:35 PM	#1
MrsHutch Rose Garden An Enneagram 7 type 1/2 ENTP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Malawi! Posts: 6,295	What to give/do for yeast flare-up? I feel like I should know this, but am at a loss. J had just gotten to a point where he was doing really, really well. Cognitively, he was understanding us really well and interacting with us well. Behaviorally, he was... normal. Not drunk or yeasty at all. And, most telling, he was having AMAZING TURDS. Beautiful, solid, perfect turds, with no traces of anything undigested at all. This was a FIRST EVER for him. We were ecstatic. You truly don't know how amazing a normal turd is until you've spent 5 years cleaning up the awfulest, watery, grainy, chunky (are you yet?) mess that you never thought would go away. That lasted for about a solid week. And then he ate part of a Crayola crayon. That stupid, awful, cursed crayon. He's gone back to being horribly drunk and yeasty, and his poop has gone back to being really terrible. It's been 2.5 weeks since he ate that crayon, and it's not getting any better. He's on stage 1/2 of GAPS (so meat, broth, veggies, eggs, and avocados, but no nut butters and no orange veggies). He gets a bit of whey every day, and I've given him about a Tbs of kefir grains several times. I've never been very good at veggie ferments, so he's not currently getting any ferment juices. He gets 1 tsp FCLO and the biggest scoop of GutPro every night, along with a few other supplements. We've given him activated charcoal several times, but it doesn't seem to help. I add a couple of cloves of raw garlic, raw egg yolks, and a few drops of oil of oregano to his lunch every day. I have green black walnut & wormwood extract, but I haven't given it to him because of the alcohol in it. What am I missing? What else can we do? __________________ Stacy here! Enjoying my Complementarian marriage to Mr. Hutch since May 20, 2006 Blessed Mama of Miss H (16), Mr Big J (15), Miss T (14), Mr Little J (11), & Mr A (7) Missing three I will meet in Heaven (Feb 2012), (Apr 2016) & (Jun 2020) "Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people don't shoot their husbands, they just don't." -Legally Blonde

03-27-2014, 10:16 PM	#2
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03-27-2014, 11:21 PM	#3
Soliloquy Rose Garden Why climb a mountain? Because it's there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Selkirk Mountains Posts: 52,860	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? I would do clay. Zeolite or calcium bentonite. For a non-ASD kid I would also give silver but I don't know how ASD kids do with silver. ---------- Post added at 11:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ---------- Btw, you can put the oregano oil on the soles of his feet at bedtime, too.

03-27-2014, 11:57 PM	#4
Garland Rose Trellis Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,308	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? Oregano Oil and a probiotic __________________ ~ Garland ~ INFJ ~ Mom to a big bunch of kids!

03-28-2014, 12:24 AM	#5
rosesnsnails Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,632	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? You are already doing everything that I can think of. I hope it clears up soon. Yeast overgrowth is horrible. Had a thought, what about digestive enzymes? __________________ Jen Wife to J since 1994 Mom to J since 1998 Mom to J since 2000 Angel Baby Joshua Aaron 2003 Momma to J since 2009 (born 11 weeks early) Using my favorite smilely as often as I can, Relying on God has to begin all over again every day as if nothing had yet been done-C.S. Lewis-from a letter To Mrs. L.

03-30-2014, 07:56 PM	#7
MrsHutch Rose Garden An Enneagram 7 type 1/2 ENTP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Malawi! Posts: 6,295	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? He just keeps getting worse. His poop is just completely watery, his sleep is awful, and he can't keep himself from chewing on anything he can find. He has hickies all over one arm from aggressively chewing/sucking on it. __________________ Stacy here! Enjoying my Complementarian marriage to Mr. Hutch since May 20, 2006 Blessed Mama of Miss H (16), Mr Big J (15), Miss T (14), Mr Little J (11), & Mr A (7) Missing three I will meet in Heaven (Feb 2012), (Apr 2016) & (Jun 2020) "Exercise gives you endorphins. Endorphins make you happy. Happy people don't shoot their husbands, they just don't." -Legally Blonde

03-30-2014, 08:11 PM	#8
sweetpeasmommy Rose Garden Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 30,329	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? Charcoal might stop the runny poo and ease some of the behaviors. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Amy eNFp Wife to ISTJ DH 1997 Mom to one Sweet Boy 10/2004

03-31-2014, 10:16 AM	#10
mellymommy Rose Garden Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,944	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? Nothing to add except to say I am praying for him and for wisdom and peace for you. __________________ Melody Married since 1999, rebuilding since June 2013 Hybrid Mommy to ds1 (12/02, SPD) dd (9/04) ds2 (10/07, C22 disorder) ds3 (5/08) ds4 (1/09) dd2 (9/11) http://www.themelodyward.com htty://www.joplinmamaresurrected.blogspot.com

03-31-2014, 12:19 PM	#11
mamacat Rose Garden Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,473	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? One thing that has helped me is making myself cucumber water by taking my filtered drinking water and putting slices of cucumber in and letting it set for awhile and then drinking the water all day.cucumbers are full of Molybdenum which can really help with reactions and with my less than stellar diet sometimes can really help by sipping all day.Also helps keep ph at a healthful level and is subtle and delicious ---------- Post added at 07:09 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:06 PM ---------- Would also 2nd the clay idea if he will do that. ---------- Post added at 07:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:09 PM ---------- Have you ever given him something like this to help with the oral symptoms?http://www.walmart.com/ip/20803521?w...#ProductDetail There are also bracelets too http://www.nationalautismresources.c...FeJF7AodGFMA3g __________________ ~Catherine~ Mama to 5: C W C J S And Grandma to 3: A ,K and baby C

03-31-2014, 12:20 PM	#12
Katigre Rose Garden Why thank you, it is naturally blue... Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 21,278	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? Have you ever looked into a fecal gut transplant for him? Bc it sounds like even with all you're doing his body isn't resilient enough to keep it going with even a tiny hiccup. Which makes me wonder if a fecal transplant might help him. I know they're pioneering this at a few major research hospitals and children's hospitals for certain health problems. I would not chalk everything up to yeast and things like that - I think it's more. Sent from my phone using Tapatalk

03-31-2014, 02:15 PM	#15
Soliloquy Rose Garden Why climb a mountain? Because it's there! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Selkirk Mountains Posts: 52,860	Re: What to give/do for yeast flare-up? Metals. That's why I hesitate to recommend silver for an ASD kid. Zeolite should be removing some metals. What brand are you using, how long has he been on it, and how many sprays per day? Just curious. Also, if his gut is comprised, the zeolite spray can be taken via nebulizer (if he'll do it). It gets into the bloodstream very quickly, that way Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk

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