making lies the truth?? - Page 2

rjy9343 · 09-22-2014, 09:57 AM

I can't imagine doing something like that. If you are trying to teach your child to be calmer and less dramatic, surely you can explain that too much hyperbole damages your credibility and why that is such a bad thing. If you are going to go through all that work, why not just use your words to show them a better way to communicate.

Bea423 · 09-22-2014, 08:27 PM

That is absurd

Especially if it applied to all the children even years later. I wonder how that is explained... "Well 6 years ago your brother complained...."

Meriby · 09-25-2014, 11:38 AM

And what sort of message does this teach about lying? That if we lie we make amends for it by trying to make the lie a truth? Whatever happened to confessing and apologizing? (not that you need to confess for a bit of hyperbole)

ArmsOfLove · 09-25-2014, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by milkmommy

So true. Somehow with this lady I think if he'd pulled the you never make me insert chore or disliked food it be viewed as not just lying but defiance. This is the mama who donated all her no greater joy materials to our homeschooling group liabary.

I have been struggling with how to express my utter

at what was in the OP, but what you said here makes it all make sense.

IMPE the parents who believe the most devotedly in punishing (quickly, thoroughly, as they believe God commanded, and without mercy) AND hate doing so, create a bizarre paradigm in their thinking as a means of not 'having' to punish. And it gets as twisted and ridiculous and always leaves me

"Lying deserves swift and relentless punishment so we contrive our lives around making what our child says not be a lie so that we don't have to punish him."

rjy9343 · 09-25-2014, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmsOfLove

IMPE the parents who believe the most devotedly in punishing (quickly, thoroughly, as they believe God commanded, and without mercy) AND hate doing so, create a bizarre paradigm in their thinking as a means of not 'having' to punish. And it gets as twisted and ridiculous and always leaves me

"Lying deserves swift and relentless punishment so we contrive our lives around making what our child says not be a lie so that we don't have to punish him."

That explains some of the spanking doctrines I have heard about if you only do it a few times, you did not do it enough.

FlyingBlueKiwi · 09-25-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkmommy

This is the mama who donated all her no greater joy materials to our homeschooling group liabary.

Please tell us that someone 'borrowed' them and lost them...

milkmommy · 09-25-2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingBlueKiwi

Please tell us that someone 'borrowed' them and lost them...

No a far as I know they are all still there... I do have a horrible habit of losing library stuff though...

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09-22-2014, 08:27 PM	#17
Bea423 Deactivated Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 141	Re: making lies the truth?? That is absurd Especially if it applied to all the children even years later. I wonder how that is explained... "Well 6 years ago your brother complained...."

09-25-2014, 11:38 AM	#18
Meriby Seedling Rose Compassion generally makes a difference. Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 21	Re: making lies the truth?? And what sort of message does this teach about lying? That if we lie we make amends for it by trying to make the lie a truth? Whatever happened to confessing and apologizing? (not that you need to confess for a bit of hyperbole)

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